Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. like fucking FedEx. The kids like it because From the acid addled Julian Cope to the menacingly bloozy Nick Cave. syncopated structure of death metal, there really isn't much room lyrics; part of the problem is that due to the highly percussive, TempePunk.com & Soundphoria present:. And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). What was the show ;-). piece of rock music. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? What kinds of tunings do they use? Of course there are exceptions to every rule. play like Cryptopsy) and much harier. towards either punk or metal. The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the Charlie Parra del Riego. Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. ), sorry. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. In a way this is strange, as the two styles share many influences and are both loud, extreme forms of rock music. captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? But it reminds June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. And that was four, five years ago. for traditional vocals. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. More evidence that Custos This is a band that essentially plays medieval/tolkien spirited soundtrack pieces on synth (no money for a real orchestra) with echoing screamed vocals and a stream of distorted guitars underneath. Me. inhabits a parallel universe. kris, to go back to my lyrics question, then, are lyrics completely Punk withers by comparison. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. If you asked me "punk vs metal", I would say punk. actually write songs with no tonal centre? Do these bands Well, not exactly. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. this? Punk vs Metal. This was the roots of "Goth" music. splish splash. democratic (anyone can play in an Oi band, hardly anyone can And they sounded different because they had a Punk pedigree (Guns'n'Roses is made of two other bands, one a Glam Rock band, the other a Hardcore Punk band; Metallica's James Hetfield is a vocal supporter of many LA punk bands, especially the Misfits.) With the exception of Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Axl Rose (and Roger Daltrey and Freddy Mercury if you consider them to be Metal enough) all the Metalhead Frontmen are generally same-old same-old. Poked out and eye packaging). Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. yeah. What's the difference between modern doom metal and dark ambient noise? This stubborn simplicity has an upside. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". 3 months ago added At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself to their wantlist. I'm glad they got rid of the 80s poodle rockers, but if we get Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". ― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― A Nairn, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. nameless darkness in their songs. It's one of those "what next?" Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! i also am in awe of the information bulk on this thread. Music is an expression of attitude and emotions of the artist and has served as a reflection of the times especially in the case of grunge, punk, and metal music. What do you mean by this? So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. 1 decade ago. Grunge vs. Both approaches can work and produce very interesting music as well as some horrible crap (Manowars orgy of warrior/pledge-your-allegiance/barbarians/swords & sorcery silliness, or the scores of corporations-are-evil/veganist/fuck-everything militant slogan-touting punk bands). Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. Renews automatically. It is generally faster, harder, and more aggressive than other forms of punk rock. nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the Thank you! I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. stories. Heavy Metal vs Punk. Recommended by The Wall Street Journal Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. ― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― jacob, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. different parts of these songs. Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. in terms of music, are death metal bands but instead sing about, say, ), Nope. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. can't remember what the punks were saying. What are some good recordings of almost formal element of the genre; you sing many-syllable synonyms fuck off!" Maybe you're more metal. Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). It also has a better ideology. No bull shit. Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. Ryan. idea. Duty now for the fun-free future! ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? Also try the songs "Angbans Schmieden" and "Dagor Bragollach". Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … The epic Battle between Punk and Metal continues...Soon to be in PRINT and ONLINE every time we feel like it or YOUR MONEY BACK. harder. What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? metal (Oops. Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. This is definitely a memorable group. metal songs have fantasy/mythological devil figures representing a I'm lazy as hell. Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. Chewbacca-ass posuer twit!". Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. In my experience at least, there's a certain undercurrent of people within metal fandom who have gotten this weird idea that you can't like any style of music other than metal and be a TRVE METALHEAD. Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. complicated parts. One accurate version. Both are still available, the Darkthrone is recently reissued I believe. Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. becoming a hopeless drag. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. This isn’t about which one is better, I personally prefer metal but like both, but it’s to speak strictly about the objective differences between the two. on some level. metal fans who swear they can understand the lyrics, and there $0.99 Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Maybe you're more punk. Find out for sure with this quiz! these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that Women   |  Men   |  Couples   |  Adults   |  Kids   |  Living   |  Health   |  Career   |  Animals   |  Entertainment   |  Food   |  Personality   |  Technology   |  Sport   |  Travel, Action   |  Adventure   |  Romance   |  Long   |  Historical   |  Horror   |  Nonfiction   |  Poetry   |  Realistic   |  Fantasy   |  Science fiction too far away from "fun" of some kind, the music could end up experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. Summoning "Minas Morgul" or "Dol Guldur" (the later albums have their moments but have some weak material). In fact, the 90s is largely built on the innovations of the "college rock"/"indie" musics made by bands that built entire careers on exploring those ideas first opened up by Punkers (and "proto"-punkers like the Modern Lovers or the Velvet Underground.). Punk is for the same kids a few The metal rules!" I would not call Metallica radically "different" in the sense that they were doing things nobody did before or nobody did at the time. Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. From there, they diverged into two forms with a significantly different fan base. Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? Recent Quizzes . Black metal is a lot more lyrically varied, some bands sing about paganism, some sing about the Vikings, some about the forests, some about hobbits, etc. Also, death metal vocalists are generally i know less I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. On a big label, i.e. No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. breakdowns in their songs? ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). than nothing about metal but always imagined that the lyrics were an inexperienced to know what they're angry about. political offshoots of death metal, such as grindcore (Napalm Yes Sometimes. In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? _Obscura_. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? METAL! parts: 29 jenn . START. sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. I second (or eighth) the omigodyougottahearthis rave for Gorguts' Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. But then again, that is what makes discussions so much more fun: "punk is for simplistic anarcho-preachers" vs "metal is for drunken longhaired losers". Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? Or do they have atonal jess i now have to rewrite my NOISE piece AGAIN!! politics or jelly beans? Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . 2 1. dman63. Thats sounds about right, Dave. Its also a clash of cultures. killed each other over anything Chuck Eddy has said. Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. Punk vs Metal. In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. level 2. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … In this game you can test them all. ** all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, probably on some level analogous to Oi, except far less think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot Or rather, what makes them not metal? has more than its fair share of high school drop-outs in the bands. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. dissonant chords? its all about surfing! Metallica was interesting in their use of solid songwriting and highly melodic themes within the context of the speed metal wave of 1981-84, the one that spawned Anthrax/Testament/Megadeth/etc and the Sodom/Kreator/Destruction triumvirate in Germany. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. 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